Please!
I know there are only two ways of gauging strangers, via GearSnore or Achievements. To be honest I’m ok with this. I don’t care that much.
Sure it drives me a little crazy that people are asking for achievements for VoA. I think the 1st four bosses of ICC don’t really warrant it either, on normal at least.
But to get to the heart of the problem, I just don’t think it is worth spending an hour trying to get a group together, checking achievements only to blow 10-15 minutes wasting buffs away while the most basic of the boss mechanics get explained to people who theoretically have already done it before, more likely than not, have done it more times than the raid leader.
It’s at the point now where I think we should wear the 1st wipe.
Just ready check and GO!
By the end of that 1st fight you will know if people were on follow to get their achievement.
They will either do what they have to do, or still be standing by the front door.
Scrape the corpses up, kick them from the raid and fill the raid with people that do know what they are doing so we can reserve vent for it’s intended purpose.
Jokes!
Running ICC on two characters on both 10 & 25 has really worn down my patience for the pre encounter kindergarten chat.
It is quicker to recover from the wipe than to go through the explanation.
For craps sake, the fights themselves barely extend past 5 minutes, why in the name of all that is holy in Gnomeregan do we have to spend 3 times the length of the fight describing what a bone spike is, that Fester is going to give you a slime pet that will eat your heart out, where on your task bar the polymorph spell has to be.
State once at the beginning of the raid.
We have seen your achievements, in theory you know the encounters
When we reach each boss you will get asked once…
Do you know this fight?
If there is no response, there will be a ready check and we will engage with the boss 10 seconds later!
Yes, yes. I know some encounters require a little organization. Rotface is a good example. Yet, people know what they are doing don’t they?
As soon as I get to Rotface I get into position. If the raid leader changes that, fine, otherwise I am just waiting to hear about the fucking spores for the 100th time.
I don’t know… An hour to get the raid together… an hour and a half to explain the bosses… 30 minutes to actually do the bosses with an additional hour for trash.
Why the hell people say “must be available till 12.30pm”, when they could just say…
Raiding for 2 hours. Don’t fuck up, don’t fuck around, when we have 6 done we will decide if we extend in 30 minute segments
Gnomer and Out, Squidly and I’m not stupid dammit, just engage the boss and I will heal your arse!
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Gnomer, as someone who endured the awful disorganization of pugging ICC 10 & 25 very recently, I have to say – this is one of the most delightful benefits from being in a raiding guild. (I don’t know if you are in a raiding guild, but from your stories it doesn’t sound like it?)
Don’t get me wrong, the friendship, the lack of drama, the committed, dedicated raid time, these are all awesome. But there is something priceless at strolling up to a boss (like Marrowgar), a single ready check to make sure no one’s still buffing or getting a drink, and just diving in without any further discussion.
100% of the 80′s in my guild raid, but then that’s only Gnomer and Squidly
I think I’m a guild anarchist. My problem ultimately was I didn’t wan to do what any guild wanted to do 100% of the time, and I don’t want to be a burden… nor experience the issues that Vikingmetal has been experiencing (a story for another day… soon).
However, it would be nice to raid with the emphasis on raiding, not explaining.
so…what ICC achievements do you have then?
*hidequick*
None that are worth linking
I don’t mind if people ask for acheivements.
What IS bugging me is the gradual erosion of the word.
Long ago: “Link achievement”
Later: “Link achieves”
Now: “Link cheev”
ARGH
CHEEV
ARGHHHHH
*gurgles*
On my server it’s “achi”. Makes me want to pronounce it to rhyme with “achy”.
This is how newbie became, newb, and then later became condensed to “nub” (and pronounced as spelled….??? That still confuses me). People are lazy.
Yes and No.
Generally pugs only have the patience for 2-3 wipes. Do you really want to waste one of those precious wipes just because Joe the tank has only ever done this fight as melee dps? Having said that time is precious. Generally at the 3 hour mark pugs lose half their brain cells.
As an example of both problems:) I talked my way into a icc10 on Horde side. 2 pvp items,a cheap- bad resto 264 boe and i am in as 5300ish (ie 5260) and no achievements. So first 8 bosses down, no problems, no wipes. People are starting to ask if we could aim for 11 or 12/12. Blood princes. Pally tank and warrior tank. Warrior tanks suck at keleseth. So its the pally tank. Pally tank? I have never done it, dps allways did it. DPS? We have never done it, the tank has allways done it. So quick explanation for pally tank. Pull and wipe. More detailed because the main problem was lack of aggro on keleseth. Pull and wipe, again reinforce you need to keep aggro on the boss. Pull and wipe. OK try no 4 with warrior tank on kelesth, wipe and to be fair its not his fault its HARD as a warrior.
Ok then use the warlock for try 5. Guess what the 3 times we had explained what to do to the Pally? The warlock never listened because he made the exact same mistakes. Nobody told me,we told the Paladin 3 times and you where here….
Finally back to Pally tank. Boss(es) die, 2.5 hours for 8 bosses. 1.5 hours for one boss and at this point people are half asleep and raid over.
This comes down to personal responsibility.
When I took Squid to ICC the 1st time, I responded to an ad in /trade and told the guy that I had 8 bosses on Gnome, but had never healed it.
I was clear about this at each fight. I was asking for heal specific advice… the rest of it is just basic mechanics, which in theory I know.
I expect everyone that is doing a different roll to be ballsy enough to admit their lack of knowledge.
I guess it just reminds me of all those years t Uni, where I read a lot of books on the same subject and the 1st 4 chapters were pretty much identical in every book, but you couldn’t skip it in case there was something important.
Let’s just skip to chapter 5, describe specific strats, then engage.
Er, unless Australia really is backwards land, it’s Rotface who has slime pets to eat your face and Festergut who has spores.
/snarksnark
When are you folks going to learn that it;s not us that are backwards… you folk from downunder… pfft!
Well, that’s either due to early mornings writing posts on the train…
or explains why we always wipe when I explain the strats…
When you get the spore… run away from the group and find the Spore tank…
When you get the slime, run to the designated spot and everyone stack.
Come on folks, you’re doing it all wrong!
In my head its always blob guy on left and blob guy on right.