Comments on: So how ’bout dem Yankees?

By: Zy

Zy — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:11:03 +0000

Try reading the post on July 10th before pointing fingers Whiplash.

By: Whiplash

Whiplash — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:17:01 +0000

Hang on, just the other day you were quitting for good and now you are QQ’ing about beta information from an expansion with no release date yet! – Lithium much?

By: Nina

Nina — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:49:28 +0000

They said it was a first pass for Arcane, so that one should change a lot:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702229998&sid=2000

“While this is a first pass on all of the talent trees, death knight, druid, paladin, warlock, Arcane mage, and Assassination rogue trees are not as far along as other specializations. “

By: Celeglin

Celeglin — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:14:18 +0000

All trees for all classes are “suffering” from the same thing in PvE. I’m not as concerned about that though. We certainly haven’t lost any PvE centric talents (baring the passive +% ones that are being baked into the tree), in fact Fire mages at the least have gained some.

Adding more PvE talents into the trees to fill out a raiding build doesn’t seem condusive to me. There are only so many abilities and quirks you can have in a PvE rotation before certain things just don’t stand up (example: Brain Freeze for Frost mages up until T10, DoTs for Boomkins after T9), become purely situational (Incanter’s Absorption post nerf), or just too complicated (Affliction at the beginning of Wrath).

I don’t mind picking up PvP/soloing talents in a raiding build now that all the passive +% bonus off to the side (except for that STUPID Piercing Ice talent in Frost. LOATHE. THAT. TALENT.). At one point I had to have a raiding Frost spec and a solo Frost spec simply because I couldn’t function outside of a group anymore: this is really taking away that mess.

That all being said, I think the Frost tree is a joke right now raiding. Yes, they may be able to get our damage up to par with these new rotational options and better access to passive tweaking, but 8 (EIGHT) of the talents in that tree give effects that raid bosses and a lot of trash are immune to, offer something other specs bring better, or are just useless for the spec (hello mana reduction, thank you for reducing the casting cost of the cheapest mage spells in the game. Very helpful.).

By: gnomeaggedon

gnomeaggedon — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:55:11 +0000

I haven’t looked into the talents in any detail yet. I got your email late, wrote the post early and only really had time for a quick screenshots.

That said, I wasn’t as concerned as you about the pvp aspects – remember, no detail pursued.

In fact it was the requirement to take so many pvp talents to get to the end of the tree that concerned me from a pve perspective.

Of course, maybe the new “colorful” glyphs will change everything.

Or not

By: Prelimar

Prelimar — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:35:47 +0000

“No more instant, free Flamestrikes” ???

NNOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

i feel a chill, like someone just stepped on my grave. you can’t get rid of that, blizz! it’s one of our major “Warlock-B-Gone” spells!
>: (

By: Celeglin

Celeglin — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:25:44 +0000

It’s important to note that these trees are incredibly early and will see big changes before ever going live.

I think it’s equally important to note the lack of PvP talents in the Fire tree on Blizzard’s initial pass on the tree. This tree is the result of their “first thoughts” when they think of Fire. Clearly PvP isn’t counted among them. Very unsettling.

By: Larísa

Larísa — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:29:11 +0000

You’re challenging me, mr Oh-look-at-my-big-balls-of-fire?
I’ve told you so many times over the years about the benefits of Arcane and you just don’t listen! But I’ll show you… I’ll show you… oh wait…
hm…

To put it slightly more seriously: there isn’t much to show off for arcane mages yet. And the information they gave a couple of months ago was far, far from impressing and exciting, but more on the worrying side considering the strange ideas about spell damage connnected to how much mana you had left. I was under the impression that I’d be forced back to playing fire again.

But I’m trying not to worry too much. I’m just biding my time, taking a nap while the EJ people will work their asses out to help me out. There will be cookie cutter specs in Cata, just like before. And I’ll happily use them.

I can be a unique and beautiful snowflake in other ways than through my talent tree.