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	<title>Comments on: The changing face of grinding</title>
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		<title>By: gnomeaggedon</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gnomeaggedon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah it&#039;s catch 22... if you are bleeding edge then you have the gear and the emblems...

If you aren&#039;t but want to join them (or ride their shirt tails) its a long grind]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah it&#8217;s catch 22&#8230; if you are bleeding edge then you have the gear and the emblems&#8230;</p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t but want to join them (or ride their shirt tails) its a long grind</p>
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		<title>By: gnomeaggedon</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4540</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohh you are 100% correct...

I have hardly played at all with my guild, as 95% of my time is with my mates, but most of that is raiding...

But, there is no reason why I can&#039;t start joining in on their adventures.

And yeah, the gear is for raiding...which I don&#039;t think I will be doing for a while so it is all moot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohh you are 100% correct&#8230;</p>
<p>I have hardly played at all with my guild, as 95% of my time is with my mates, but most of that is raiding&#8230;</p>
<p>But, there is no reason why I can&#8217;t start joining in on their adventures.</p>
<p>And yeah, the gear is for raiding&#8230;which I don&#8217;t think I will be doing for a while so it is all moot.</p>
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		<title>By: gnomeaggedon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too true Larisa... it&#039;s funny how easy it is to get sucked into the &quot;loot is the reason I play mentality&quot;...

I will be strong... I am strong... I am Gnome and Shaman... both OP in their own way...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true Larisa&#8230; it&#8217;s funny how easy it is to get sucked into the &#8220;loot is the reason I play mentality&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I will be strong&#8230; I am strong&#8230; I am Gnome and Shaman&#8230; both OP in their own way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gnomeaggedon</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4538</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohhhh I think I may have inflicted some pain on a Warlock...

Ahhh made my day...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh I think I may have inflicted some pain on a Warlock&#8230;</p>
<p>Ahhh made my day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gnomeaggedon</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gnomeaggedon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been rejecting reality for years... maybe I should try it in the virtual world as well]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been rejecting reality for years&#8230; maybe I should try it in the virtual world as well</p>
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		<title>By: gnomeaggedon</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gnomeaggedon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If only I could find tanks for Squidly... dps and heals a plenty...

still, I guess I will have some variety when I hit 80....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I could find tanks for Squidly&#8230; dps and heals a plenty&#8230;</p>
<p>still, I guess I will have some variety when I hit 80&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhii</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4521</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While you&#039;re gearing up by grinding emblems and buying crafted epics, those 100 golds are not as easy to come by as after you&#039;ve bought all your rep gear and boe craftables.

Buying a run spot is a privilege of the long-term-80 unless you&#039;re an AH guru.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you&#8217;re gearing up by grinding emblems and buying crafted epics, those 100 golds are not as easy to come by as after you&#8217;ve bought all your rep gear and boe craftables.</p>
<p>Buying a run spot is a privilege of the long-term-80 unless you&#8217;re an AH guru.</p>
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		<title>By: kakura</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4519</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there are two fundamental flaws with your arguments against emblem grinding.  

First off, the idiotic &quot;LF1M Tank for H Nexus, Must have [Epic]&quot; crap is restricted to PUGs.  If you&#039;re in a guild and folks are pulling that, take a step back and try to figure out if this is a guild you really want to be in.  As Gevlon has proven, you can make up for gear deficiency with skill in many cases (hard modes excluded, of course).

(Guild shopping for the time-limited player is difficult, but you can probably find a good list of candidates using Guild Ox&#039;s strict 10-man rankings.  10-man guilds tend to be more close-knit and lower on the gear curve, though exceptions may exist at the very top end of that spectrum.)

Secondly, the only use for badge gear is to make you more able to raid.  You can do any heroic in the game using crafted blues.  This goes back to the first point in that if you&#039;re gearing up to raid, your guild should be helping you.  I suppose you could be gearing up to PUG raid... but I really don&#039;t think the game is designed for that.  Even in that case, you can fall back on another Gevlon suggestion and bribe the raid leader to give you a spot.  &quot;Hey, I know you want [Epic] for your Deadmines run, but I have [Superior], know my class very well, and will give you 100g for giving me a chance to prove that I can cut it.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are two fundamental flaws with your arguments against emblem grinding.  </p>
<p>First off, the idiotic &#8220;LF1M Tank for H Nexus, Must have [Epic]&#8221; crap is restricted to PUGs.  If you&#8217;re in a guild and folks are pulling that, take a step back and try to figure out if this is a guild you really want to be in.  As Gevlon has proven, you can make up for gear deficiency with skill in many cases (hard modes excluded, of course).</p>
<p>(Guild shopping for the time-limited player is difficult, but you can probably find a good list of candidates using Guild Ox&#8217;s strict 10-man rankings.  10-man guilds tend to be more close-knit and lower on the gear curve, though exceptions may exist at the very top end of that spectrum.)</p>
<p>Secondly, the only use for badge gear is to make you more able to raid.  You can do any heroic in the game using crafted blues.  This goes back to the first point in that if you&#8217;re gearing up to raid, your guild should be helping you.  I suppose you could be gearing up to PUG raid&#8230; but I really don&#8217;t think the game is designed for that.  Even in that case, you can fall back on another Gevlon suggestion and bribe the raid leader to give you a spot.  &#8220;Hey, I know you want [Epic] for your Deadmines run, but I have [Superior], know my class very well, and will give you 100g for giving me a chance to prove that I can cut it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larísa</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larísa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one forces us to grind. We CAN make our own choices, walk our own path if we want to. There IS a ton of grind-less content to clear, unless you&#039;ve been playing like 24/7 the last five years. But you need to shield yourself and be strong in order not to get pulled into the silly rush. I say like Gevlon often does: Be strong!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one forces us to grind. We CAN make our own choices, walk our own path if we want to. There IS a ton of grind-less content to clear, unless you&#8217;ve been playing like 24/7 the last five years. But you need to shield yourself and be strong in order not to get pulled into the silly rush. I say like Gevlon often does: Be strong!</p>
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		<title>By: Syrana</title>
		<link>http://gnomeaggedon.net/2009/09/10/the-changing-face-of-grinding/#comment-4514</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;That said, the mats requirements were huge. Anyone that ground out the mats for Spellfire and Spellstrike will tell you that many raids, instances and quests were missed to get that set… But then everyone knows it was OP!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Oh man, why&#039;d you take me back to spellstrike and frost shadoweave set? D:  Of course I had to miss a lot to farm/grind the mats for those pieces because it was basically required for me to have them TO raid...

Thank goodness I had help O.o  Oh goodness the hours I spent solo as well as with friends nice enough to come blast things with me.... and give me all the motes.  And the donations I got.  And the cloth cooldowns I bartered for alongside using my own.

Frak, I *started* gathering mats and cloth BEFORE I hit 70.

....

*ahem*

But yes, the grinding and farming scene has changed over the years. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;That said, the mats requirements were huge. Anyone that ground out the mats for Spellfire and Spellstrike will tell you that many raids, instances and quests were missed to get that set… But then everyone knows it was OP!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Oh man, why&#8217;d you take me back to spellstrike and frost shadoweave set? D:  Of course I had to miss a lot to farm/grind the mats for those pieces because it was basically required for me to have them TO raid&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank goodness I had help O.o  Oh goodness the hours I spent solo as well as with friends nice enough to come blast things with me&#8230;. and give me all the motes.  And the donations I got.  And the cloth cooldowns I bartered for alongside using my own.</p>
<p>Frak, I *started* gathering mats and cloth BEFORE I hit 70.</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>*ahem*</p>
<p>But yes, the grinding and farming scene has changed over the years. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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